Music City Bowl

**R13** · January 3rd, 2011, 04:53 PM

He led with his helmet, biggins pic clearly shows it, the other pic is after it had developed. Biggins pic is initial contact, not vols, how could he slide off of him in that direction? He leads with his helmet and slides off as seen in vol's pic, I don't know how you could think he hits with his shoulder and rolls off the other way and you get biggins pic? It's not some new pansy rule, it's a legit rule and should ALWAYS be a penalty...if it were the other way around, I'd bet good money you'd be defending that rule, which is a good one.

Is it even a 15 yarder? I'm just curious, haven't heard much complaining about it besides on here, but what's the book say? There was time left when he spiked it, but you're wanting the game to be over so he doesn't get the chance? Because the ref said it, which has happened before and heaven forbid they review it and get the right call, is a bad thing? "Well the ref said so, so we should have it, even though they were right".

There wasn't enough to overturn it, it still looked like a catch to me and was called it on the field, regardless there wasn't enough to overturn it...and it was only disputable because a he was hit illegally.

If UT had picked up just another 1st down, that 30 seconds wouldn't have happened. Really ridiculous to sit here and say "well we made some mistakes, but we got screwed", they screwed their self and completely blew the game and got put into any position like that to begin with. They choked long before any of those calls. I forget which group of fans I'm talking to though and what board I'm on, so don't know why I'm continuing to go on with it.

**R13** · January 3rd, 2011, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

The top picture provided by Vols61 is the intial contact. The receivers head then whiplashes back and they make helmet contact then. Its a split second deal, but contact was intiatated with the shoulder first below the receivers shoulders.

How in the world is that pic initial contact? Biggins pic clearly looks like it was before vol's, really doesn't look close either. Matter of fact the more I look at both pics, Biggins IS initial and definitely before.

**1inStripes** · January 3rd, 2011, 05:16 PM

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010

Initial contact is made with the shoulder. WR's whiplashes and catches side of Jackson's helmet, not the crown. 28 second mark.

**R13** · January 3rd, 2011, 05:24 PM

He leads with his helmet still and launches with it, even by the rules posted earlier, he would still be protected with that call.

The pass receiver whose concentration is on the ball;

I don't ever seeing that not being a penalty, with any team on any level, if seen it's flagged 10 times out of 10 and there be no dispute about it.

**1inStripes** · January 3rd, 2011, 05:38 PM

There is no launching rule in NCAA.

**simple man** · January 3rd, 2011, 05:45 PM

Folks will have to change the way they play. This isn't different than the stopping of the 5 yard chuck on a wr or when the QB was able to slide and throw the ball away, even if there isn't anybody near the sideline they throw it to. (Yes, I know these are pro rules too).

**TheBeast** · January 3rd, 2011, 06:00 PM

Again:

The to many players or players in motion that they called instantly kills the play before it starts so the spike couldn't have happened. What if he had raised up and thrown a td pass instead of spiking it, that wouldn't have counted/happened so the spike shouldn't have happened either. As a result of the penalty the clock starts when the ball is set, not when the ball is snapped on an offensive penalty and there's no time for them to get a snap off.

No matter what the ruling on the personal by Jackson the refs screwed the pooch on the implementation of the penalty against UNC for having to many players.

**TheBeast** · January 3rd, 2011, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Add in the fact that Bob Davie is the worst announcer and had obvious bias against UT made it even worse.

Want some proof of that, in the video that Stripes posted turn up the volume and listen to Davie from 7:15 to 7:25

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SPIKE IT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE IT."

**R13** · January 3rd, 2011, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by 1inStripes

There is no launching rule in NCAA.

I didn't say there was, but it shows intent and he's not going to get any mercy from the refs.

**R13** · January 3rd, 2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheBeast

Want some proof of that, in the video that Stripes posted turn up the volume and listen to Davie from 7:15 to 7:25

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING? SPIKE IT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE IT."

Doesn't sound like he said that at all. Sounds like what was said by someone was "What are you doing? Spike it!" and then "THEY'RE going to lose the game"...which doesn't even sound like was said by him.